| A condensed version of the interview with | | | | requested of them. That upset some of them. |
| former Australian Prime Minister, Harold Holt, from | | | | Two in particular. One main one, with a very close |
| beyond the grave, with Phil G | | | | second in support. And then a lot of others in the |
| "I was a popular prime minister, people liked me. I | | | | background who agreed but probably wouldn't |
| was a new face, a new excitement." | | | | have taken action. And they helped find the |
| Were you after Menzies? | | | | problem that was then reported - pretty much to |
| Yes, he was so 'stuck up'. I was more liberal. My | | | | the world. |
| ways, my views. I wasn't as serious. He was still | | | | I thought this was an Australian thing? |
| worried about the war. I felt the war was over. I | | | | No. This was reported to the world. And that was |
| was a little naive looking back. There were some | | | | simply what people saw, but the problem |
| communist problems. Some of the people that | | | | occurred way before the money. People don't like |
| were problems, - I was associated with. Now | | | | to change rapidly. |
| there's something for those who want to check | | | | Did you bring about a lot of changes? |
| this out - this wasn't common knowledge - that | | | | I think I brought about a freshness. I don't think I |
| will show this is genuine. But there were some | | | | actually changed much. I tried to bring about a |
| problems in Australia that did come out in later | | | | change in thinking. To put new eyes on things. |
| years. If you look back, I was associated with | | | | And I think I did that. I think that's why, when I |
| them. But I wasn't part of them, and I didn't | | | | disappeared, the nation was so shocked. It's a bit |
| know about it. I was unaware of it. | | | | like JFK. Looking back, some wonder if he DID do |
| Were the communists a threat then? | | | | the best thing for the country at the time, but he |
| I don't think so. In the same way that American | | | | was liked, was popular, and was trying to do the |
| was very guarded against the whole communist, | | | | right thing, and as a result of that, the country |
| Russia, China, cold war, all the things that came | | | | was terribly shocked. |
| later - they were protecting themselves, and I'm | | | | Your disappearance in the ocean? |
| sure they had spies which at the time would have | | | | I went into the ocean. I LOVED to swim, I loved |
| been of enormous concern to those countries, | | | | the ocean. I loved the fury of the water. I loved |
| and perhaps, would still be a concern today. But | | | | fighting it.I loved that feeling. I know it scares |
| they weren't trying to take over the | | | | people, but I loved it. Just that FIGHTING of the |
| country.They weren't trying to fight them. They | | | | waves, you have to overcome nature. I LOVED |
| were trying to reaffirm their safety. I think | | | | that. I loved being stronger than nature. Many |
| that's what the problem was in the 60-70-80's I | | | | thought I was foolish. I wasn't. I knew exactly |
| think it was more a case of those countries | | | | what I was doing. The one thing I didn't know, |
| trying to check they were okay. They were just | | | | about that day, was that there was a very |
| as scared of us as we were of them, and the | | | | strong undercurrent. I didn't know that, and I got |
| best way to know what was going on was to | | | | caught in it. I got caught in it at a time when |
| get it from the top and hear what's going to | | | | no-one was really looking for me. At me. And the |
| happen. | | | | surface was very rough. It was impossible to see |
| Do you think you did a good job? | | | | anybody there. Whether they were there or not. |
| Well I wasn't there long! Really. It takes a while to | | | | And in a split second I was pulled under, and then |
| get things going. People think being PM is like, click | | | | a wave raised me. I don't believe I broke through |
| your fingers and everything changes. But it | | | | the water, but I was raised rapidly and then |
| doesn't. I think it takes 2 years before, as a | | | | slammed down on my stomach, and my |
| Prime Minister, you can look back and think "I'm | | | | stomach, and lower chest hit a rock, very hard. I |
| starting to change things". And that's no different | | | | immediately doubled over in pain, and any action |
| today with Kevin (Rudd). It takes a while to get | | | | that my arms could have performed disappeared. |
| what you want, to start to happen. | | | | I was in excruciating pain. I realized I was under |
| Why? | | | | the water, and I had to do something. I tried to |
| I think people are so locked into their ways. They | | | | swim. I couldn't. The pain was too great. As I tried |
| want change, but they don't really want change. | | | | to stretch my arms out to swim, the pain was |
| Whitlam was a perfect example. The nation so | | | | too much. I guessing my ribs were broken. |
| badly wanted change. But when that change | | | | Interview continues on Phil's web site... |
| came, they weren't sure they wanted it. I'm sure | | | | So you didn't come to me to personally contact |
| he felt popular, and liked, and right in what he was | | | | your family? |
| trying to do, but I don't think it's too hard to read | | | | No. I'm one of many that are going to come to |
| the history books and find that Australia generally | | | | you. Because we've been asked to. And we will |
| was concerned about his changes. People don't | | | | do it. Because people are curious. Many will hate |
| what that much change. | | | | what you do. Many will think what you do is |
| So what brought Whitlam undone? I thought it | | | | wrong. Many won't believe you, but that doesn't |
| was the double disillusion, the money problem? | | | | matter. Even if they don't believe you, but read |
| No. That's what the public saw. The problem | | | | some of your words, about how to recognize |
| started because the rate of change was beyond | | | | when 'we're' around, then you've done a good |
| the capacity of those who had to bring the | | | | job, and if me, coming through to you, means |
| change about. See, when you become PM and | | | | you get more people aware of that, even if only |
| you want change, you have to rely on people | | | | half of them, then you still have achieved what |
| who are in an office to bring those changes about. | | | | you set out to achieve, to share the message |
| And as wrong as it is, those people have opinions. | | | | with more people (about spirit contact). I hope |
| They may or may not have voted for you. They | | | | people are as compassionate and caring about |
| may not agree with what you're doing. And they | | | | your message, as you are with sharing our |
| CAN slow things down. ANY business is only as | | | | stories" |
| efficient as the office staff allow it to be. And | | | | See the full "Interview Beyond The Grave" at |
| there were a number of people who were very | | | | philg.net. |
| concerned at the rate of change that was being | | | | |